Curse

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

When you get your degree, you can call yourself an economist.

And yes, when you argue that the real problem is there's not enough easy to get cash in the game, then you should stay in school. The real world will eat you alive.

... first off I do have my degree. Graduated spring semester.

And although you may find it hard to believe, the real world does, in fact, experience cash supply problems, which is why we have a federal reserve. By infusing cash into the system, or arbitrage, if you will, the reserve, or whatever government agency takes care of monetary policy in a particular nation, can lower the worth of money vs goods. THIS, my friend, is inflation... the relative rise in worth of goods vs money. The trick in fostering a healthy economy is to find the right balance, and the GW economy desperately needs an infusion of cash right now, not a tightening of cash.

Franco · Oct 13, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Owned, Thank you bart

cellardweller · Oct 13, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Fissure of Woe armor is a perfect example - it would be almost impossible to accumulate the 1+ million in gold by foregoing the trading system entirely (i.e. you gotta sell your gold items to someone other than the merchant to get more than 1 million gold).

My 2 sets disagree with you - the first bought when ectos were at 16k.

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Originally Posted by winkgood

Your argument makes as little sense as my two arguments about emotes and urgoz bows. Your idea of promoting diversity means giving things to people that haven't earned them.

Both a phoenix emote and urgoz's bow are perfectly achievable - you just get a group together and go get them. The same applies to FoW, 15k and every vanity item except skins. It is impossible to get a r7-9 15^50 chaos axe just by gathering some friends and going to fow.

sumrtym · Oct 13, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by tenryo

... first off I do have my degree. Graduated spring semester.

Congratulations. Mail order pays off.

BTW, name one fiat currency in history that didn't suffer from inflation that eventually led to it's being completely worthless?

But I digress....the game is not real life. No one starves, no one dies from not affording health care, etc.

And BTW, I found his inference to equality pretty offensive myself.

Akhilleus · Oct 13, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Both a phoenix emote and urgoz's bow are perfectly achievable - you just get a group together and go get them. The same applies to FoW, 15k and every vanity item except skins. It is impossible to get a r7-9 15^50 chaos axe just by gathering some friends and going to fow.

getting a phoenix emote takes far more than 1 run, as does a r7-9 chaos axe. if it werent possible to get a r9 chaos axe by forming a party and going out and doing stuff, then they wouldnt exist to begin with, now would they?

sixdartbart · Oct 13, 2006, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

It is impossible to get a r7-9 15^50 chaos axe just by gathering some friends and going to fow.

Well inasmuch as I'm unaware of any req7 15>50 chaos axes anywhere you may be right about that but what part of going to FoW and getting a req 8 15>50 chaos axe is impossible to get?
Never actually had anyone with me when I have found the ones I have but I'm sure they drop when groups of players are there as well...

any req 7 chaos axes out there Akh?
I don't buy stuff much anymore

Ma Sanbao · Oct 13, 2006, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I play games for "fun." I try to promote this "fun" by giving away items that I don't need regardless of their stats. I may sell one here or there for a little personal funds pick me up, but primarily I try to promote a friendly atmosphere.

GG ALL

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

Congratulations. Mail order pays off.

BTW, name one fiat currency in history that didn't suffer from inflation that eventually led to it's being completely worthless?

But I digress....the game is not real life. No one starves, no one dies from not affording health care, etc.

And BTW, I found his inference to equality pretty offensive myself.

Ok I am starting to become slightly put off by the dispariging remarks. I hold a degree from the College of William and Mary, which offers no mail order programs as far as I know of. Furthermore, if you'd refer me to where I offended you with my remarks on equality, I'll gladly explain myself, as it was not my intention to offend anyone, but rather, to comment on the sociological implications of well meaning programs gone wrong. Feel free to disagree with my logic, theories, or whatnot and provide logical arguments against them. However, I'd appreciate it, and I think everyone else on this board would as well, if you left the ad-hominem personal attacks at home.

cellardweller · Oct 13, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

getting a phoenix emote takes far more than 1 run, as does a r7-9 chaos axe. if it werent possible to get a r9 chaos axe by forming a party and going out and doing stuff, then they wouldnt exist to begin with, now would they?

But you know that if you keep doing FF'ing in HA for a year or two, you will get an emote. The same can not be said of a chaos axe - it may drop on the next run or it may never drop ever.

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

But you know that if you keep doing FF'ing in HA for a year or two, you will get an emote. The same can not be said of a chaos axe - it may drop on the next run or it may never drop ever.

hehe that's when you say "god bless the market" and go out and buy one with all the cash you've farmed

cellardweller · Oct 13, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by tenryo

hehe that's when you say "god bless the market" and go out and buy one with all the cash you've farmed

And thereby be forced into playing the game your way... which is exactly the point I and many others here have been trying to make.

Its reallisticly impossible to get the skins you want and the stats you want by your own efforts.

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

Oh BTW cellardweller I'd be willing to bet that if you keep doing FoW trips for a year or two you will get one if not gimme a shout and I'll give you one.

While the intention is appreciated, it shows that you don't understand the way that some people play. An item that didn't drop for me or wasn't bought isn't mine - it will forever have someone elses taint on it. The point is not to have one the point is to get one.

sixdartbart · Oct 13, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by tenryo

hehe that's when you say "god bless the market" and go out and buy one with all the cash you've farmed

The hell you say

Traders are evil why would someone approach them to "buy" something

Oh BTW cellardweller I'd be willing to bet that if you keep doing FoW trips for a year or two you will get one if not gimme a shout and I'll give you one.

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

The hell you say

Traders are evil why would someone approach them to "buy" something

Dang u got me there... why would I want to buy something when I can sit in a corner and whine until someone gives it to me

Franco · Oct 13, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Its reallisticly impossible to get the skins you want and the stats you want by your own efforts.

wtf cellar, so basicly you saying someone else has to have the effort to get it for you ? lol thats nice,

oi you there, i want a this and that, get it now, i dont have to make a effort for it. rofl

Tommy · Oct 13, 2006, 03:13 AM // 03:13

you farm, one hour you can make 5k easy

one req8 15^50 crytalline is about 15000k. 15000/5=3000 hours. i assume you play 5 hours a day.
3000/5=600 days

you can get it

!

Ilya Khan · Oct 13, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

To me, any new feature is a good feature. GW's dynamics have remained the same and quite monotonous and most any change will be for the better.
Keeping prices down will discourage farming and botting will be reduced. NCSoft gets a high-five from me

cellardweller · Oct 13, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by Franco

wtf cellar, so basicly you saying someone else has to have the effort to get it for you ? lol thats nice,

oi you there, i want a this and that, get it now, i dont have to make a effort for it. rofl

No I'm saying that without inscriptions it is only possible to get the items you want by other poeples efforts. The odds of getting the items you want to drop for you are infintessimal.

Effort is fine if its achievable... I wanted fow for my warrior so I went out and farmed 2.5 mill gold and got it. I want a chaos axe, so I solo fow for about an hour a night, and still no axe. I could do nothing else but solo fow and I still wouldn't be guarenteed I would get one - Thats a problem in the current system that inscriptions fix.

winkgood · Oct 13, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

No I'm saying that without inscriptions it is only possible to get the items you want by other poeples efforts. The odds of getting the items you want to drop for you are infintessimal.

Effort is fine if its achievable... I wanted fow for my warrior so I went out and farmed 2.5 mill gold and got it. I want a chaos axe, so I solo fow for about an hour a night, and still no axe. I could do nothing else but solo fow and I still wouldn't be guarenteed I would get one - Thats a problem in the current system that inscriptions fix.

I used to chest run a lot in FoW. Be in mind that this was before the increase in drop quality of rare items. 15^50's are MUCH more common than they used to be and I'll bet many of the 14^50 or weapons with no damage modifiers would have been 15^50's had I done those runs recently. These are some of the better chaos axe drops that I can remember of around 300 chest runs:

15^50 req 9 Chaos Axe
15^50 req 10 Chaos Axe
15^50 req 12 Chaos Axe
15 (stance) req 8 Chaos Axe
15 (enchanted) req 10 Chaos Axe
15 (vs hexed) req 8 Chaos Axe
20 (below 50) req 8 Chaos Axe
Several 14^50 req 8 or 9 Chaos Axes

Apprently you haven't been focussing your efforts in the right areas. Ever wonder where all those golds come from? It certainly doesn't come from solo farming random areas. If you want to find them yourself, then try chest running.

For those who cry that they don't have the perfect zodiac staff/wand or chaos axe, I wonder how much effort you've actually put into obtaining them. Or have you simply convinced yourself that they are unattainable and instead appeal to Anet to give you an easy way. How many FoW Chest runs have you been on? How many runs of the deep or Urgoz have you completed?

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While the intention is appreciated, it shows that you don't understand the way that some people play. An item that didn't drop for me or wasn't bought isn't mine - it will forever have someone elses taint on it. The point is not to have one the point is to get one.

Someone elses taint on it? Dude, you've got some serious issues.

cellardweller · Oct 13, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by winkgood

I used to chest run a lot in FoW. Be in mind that this was before the increase in drop quality of rare items. 15^50's are MUCH more common than they used to be and I'll bet many of the 14^50 or weapons with no damage modifiers would have been 15^50's had I done those runs recently. These are some of the better chaos axe drops that I can remember of around 300 chest runs:

15^50 req 9 Chaos Axe
15^50 req 10 Chaos Axe
15^50 req 12 Chaos Axe
15 (stance) req 8 Chaos Axe
15 (enchanted) req 10 Chaos Axe
15 (vs hexed) req 8 Chaos Axe
20 (below 50) req 8 Chaos Axe
Several 14^50 req 8 or 9 Chaos Axes

Then you have been very lucky. I have L3 treasure hunter and very little to show for it besides the title. Most of the "l33t" gear that I have gotten out of them hasn't suited my toons and has been given away.

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Originally Posted by winkgood

Someone elses taint on it? Dude, you've got some serious issues.

Is it so hard to understand the difference between buying a crystaline off some random stranger and getting one from the halls? If I had just bought mine from some random stranger it would have no more significance than any one the rubies and saphires I bought from the trader. I fought damn hard for my crystaline, and though its not particularly good, its mine and mine alone. The same goes for every other piece of equipment I own.

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Well I've given up convincing people, or a-net for that matter, that inscriptions are a bad idea. In their dogged refusal to script for us an auction house, they'll just decide to crash the economy instead. Fine. Have it your way.

Note: I write this as a brand new owner of a purty ready for remodding gold crystalline

If you can't beat them, join em. At least I'm not buying mine with the blatant fabrication that it's "for the skin" or whatnot. I'm buying it so I can mod it up and still be a little more "uber" than all those who will now be running around in perf req 8 zodiacs and brute swords. My 2 cents. Elitism will find its way. One way or another.